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	<title>Comments on: What&#8217;s for lunch? Behaviorial economics meets climate change</title>
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		<title>By: Mirele Goldsmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mirele Goldsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marc:

I was hoping to attend the BECCC Conference but unfortunately I did not make it.  Thank you for your report.  Many of the issues raised by your readers are addressed in a great book - Fostering Sustainable Behavior: An Introduction to Communicy Based Social Marketing by Doug McKenzie Mohr and William Smith.  Mohr and Smith describe the key components to a successful &quot;campaign&quot; to change behavior.  It is amazing how effective simple techniques can be.  We need to convince policy-makers that behavior changes are an essential, and cost-effective, way to save energy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc:</p>
<p>I was hoping to attend the BECCC Conference but unfortunately I did not make it.  Thank you for your report.  Many of the issues raised by your readers are addressed in a great book &#8211; Fostering Sustainable Behavior: An Introduction to Communicy Based Social Marketing by Doug McKenzie Mohr and William Smith.  Mohr and Smith describe the key components to a successful &#8220;campaign&#8221; to change behavior.  It is amazing how effective simple techniques can be.  We need to convince policy-makers that behavior changes are an essential, and cost-effective, way to save energy.</p>
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		<title>By: What if Vegetarian was the Default Choice? &#171; One Planet Diet</title>
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		<dc:creator>What if Vegetarian was the Default Choice? &#171; One Planet Diet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Gunther, contributing editor for Fortune, posted a fascinating blog about his experience of lunch choices at the 2009 Behavior, Energy and Climate Change [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tish Pasqual</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tish Pasqual</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I attended an Energy, Economy and Environment (3E) conference sponsored by the U of MN this week, and was amazed at all the papergoods being used, even if there was a reusable option (i.e. coffee cups).  I had ordered a veg meal, but the servers quickly put a lunch in front of you and disappeared without asking if you had ordered anything special - so I guess everyone got the meat meal.  It seems that these attendees are very up on the technical aspects of all of this, but don&#039;t ever consider the implications of their individual choices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I attended an Energy, Economy and Environment (3E) conference sponsored by the U of MN this week, and was amazed at all the papergoods being used, even if there was a reusable option (i.e. coffee cups).  I had ordered a veg meal, but the servers quickly put a lunch in front of you and disappeared without asking if you had ordered anything special &#8211; so I guess everyone got the meat meal.  It seems that these attendees are very up on the technical aspects of all of this, but don&#8217;t ever consider the implications of their individual choices.</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon Talbott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharon Talbott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was a participant the full 3 days of the conference, and here is an interesting ethnographic observation about BECC&#039;s little Nudge experiment: 

We discovered that there was a little glitch in the implementation of this choice architecture. Although at the point of registration the choices were framed with veggie as default (as described in the blog), no one had thought to provide a meal card or confirmation of each person&#039;s lunch choice. This meant that at the point of consumption, we were asked to remember what we had picked. Servers had been trained to frame the choices thus: Step 1, ask the diner to remember their meal choice. Step 2, remind the diner what the choices were. Interestingly, I observed several servers offering the meat choices first. In any case, there were no references (in the 4 or 5 interactions I observed) to veggie being the default, although usually someone brought this up because we all remembered Karen&#039;s salient anecdote about the experiment.

Result? Although the kitchen staff did prepare the meals according to the pre-ordered choices (80% vegetarian meals), some of the people who had originally opted for the default meals switched to the meat option at the last minute and deprived some meat eaters of the meals for which they had opted. Why? At the tables at which I sat, most people couldn&#039;t remember their choices. Some then opted for the meat choice without remembering if that was what they had originally chosen. Both days I was sitting at tables which were among the last to be served, and both days everyone, even those who wanted the meat entree, all received veggie entrees. The reason given by the wait staff was that people had been given the meals they had opted for THAT DAY, and by the time they got to serving our tables, those meat entrees had already been snapped up. I observed folks who had specifically chosen meat who expressed disappointment, and folks who were regretting opting for default and got excited about the chance to switch to meat... So, at the point of consumption, when the choice architecture was changed, meat won out, and the possibility of taking a detour around the socially engineered choice was enough to dampen people&#039;s satisfaction.

I personally enjoyed all the meals even though I had opted for meat and gotten veggie :) But this did remind me that we sometimes get excited about our experiment results on paper, and forget how things actually play out with real people! **Simple tip - either provide a mechanism for people to follow through on their socially engineered option (like a meal card to give the server), or educate all the people along the whole supply chain who have to implement your choice architecture!!

-Sharon Talbott (Twitter:@peoplesgrid)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was a participant the full 3 days of the conference, and here is an interesting ethnographic observation about BECC&#8217;s little Nudge experiment: </p>
<p>We discovered that there was a little glitch in the implementation of this choice architecture. Although at the point of registration the choices were framed with veggie as default (as described in the blog), no one had thought to provide a meal card or confirmation of each person&#8217;s lunch choice. This meant that at the point of consumption, we were asked to remember what we had picked. Servers had been trained to frame the choices thus: Step 1, ask the diner to remember their meal choice. Step 2, remind the diner what the choices were. Interestingly, I observed several servers offering the meat choices first. In any case, there were no references (in the 4 or 5 interactions I observed) to veggie being the default, although usually someone brought this up because we all remembered Karen&#8217;s salient anecdote about the experiment.</p>
<p>Result? Although the kitchen staff did prepare the meals according to the pre-ordered choices (80% vegetarian meals), some of the people who had originally opted for the default meals switched to the meat option at the last minute and deprived some meat eaters of the meals for which they had opted. Why? At the tables at which I sat, most people couldn&#8217;t remember their choices. Some then opted for the meat choice without remembering if that was what they had originally chosen. Both days I was sitting at tables which were among the last to be served, and both days everyone, even those who wanted the meat entree, all received veggie entrees. The reason given by the wait staff was that people had been given the meals they had opted for THAT DAY, and by the time they got to serving our tables, those meat entrees had already been snapped up. I observed folks who had specifically chosen meat who expressed disappointment, and folks who were regretting opting for default and got excited about the chance to switch to meat&#8230; So, at the point of consumption, when the choice architecture was changed, meat won out, and the possibility of taking a detour around the socially engineered choice was enough to dampen people&#8217;s satisfaction.</p>
<p>I personally enjoyed all the meals even though I had opted for meat and gotten veggie <img src='http://www.marcgunther.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  But this did remind me that we sometimes get excited about our experiment results on paper, and forget how things actually play out with real people! **Simple tip &#8211; either provide a mechanism for people to follow through on their socially engineered option (like a meal card to give the server), or educate all the people along the whole supply chain who have to implement your choice architecture!!</p>
<p>-Sharon Talbott (Twitter:@peoplesgrid)</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Vincent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article, Marc.
Among my several businesses, I founded the August Green Software Unconference Silicon Valley where I brought entrepreneurs, venture capitalists, sustainability professionals, and entrepreneurs together at the Computer History Museum to work on software solutions to reduce climate emissions. http://greensoftwareunconference.eventbrite.com/
In keeping with low carbon and environmental principles, no plastic water bottles were bought (glass water pitchers only) and all the meals were vegetarian and vegan from Whole Foods (delicious sandwiches, salads, and fruit).
I still remember hearing an attendee ask the question, &quot;Do you have Vegetarian?&quot; The Whole Foods Employee answered, &quot;It&#039;s all Vegetarian.&quot;
During the Lunch, I got on the microphone and stated why there were no plastic bottles and vegetarian and vegan, and they were interested. 
I personally attend many technology conferences and this was the first one which only served vegetarian and vegan.
People were pretty happy with the quality of the food and there were no complaints during the event or in the post online survey.
Thanks,
Mary Vincent</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article, Marc.<br />
Among my several businesses, I founded the August Green Software Unconference Silicon Valley where I brought entrepreneurs, venture capitalists, sustainability professionals, and entrepreneurs together at the Computer History Museum to work on software solutions to reduce climate emissions. <a href="http://greensoftwareunconference.eventbrite.com/" rel="nofollow">http://greensoftwareunconference.eventbrite.com/</a><br />
In keeping with low carbon and environmental principles, no plastic water bottles were bought (glass water pitchers only) and all the meals were vegetarian and vegan from Whole Foods (delicious sandwiches, salads, and fruit).<br />
I still remember hearing an attendee ask the question, &#8220;Do you have Vegetarian?&#8221; The Whole Foods Employee answered, &#8220;It&#8217;s all Vegetarian.&#8221;<br />
During the Lunch, I got on the microphone and stated why there were no plastic bottles and vegetarian and vegan, and they were interested.<br />
I personally attend many technology conferences and this was the first one which only served vegetarian and vegan.<br />
People were pretty happy with the quality of the food and there were no complaints during the event or in the post online survey.<br />
Thanks,<br />
Mary Vincent</p>
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		<title>By: DS CLARK</title>
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		<dc:creator>DS CLARK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Russ - Omnivores, or should I say, &quot;everyone&quot; would suffer if served a thoughtfully-prepared vegetarian entree? Is it safe to assume you&#039;ve never experienced quality cuisine in your life? Bummer, dude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russ &#8211; Omnivores, or should I say, &#8220;everyone&#8221; would suffer if served a thoughtfully-prepared vegetarian entree? Is it safe to assume you&#8217;ve never experienced quality cuisine in your life? Bummer, dude.</p>
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		<title>By: russ</title>
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		<dc:creator>russ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 08:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is almost funny - everyone should suffer so the veggies get what &#039;they&#039; consider a satisfactory meal.

Feed all participants anything you want - the next meal they will go back to their normal type of food.

The only control and guide there is or can be is economic. If something costs more then people may and often will change their choice. 

The offering of green power is silly - it should be part of the mix and everyone pay their share. The way it is presently used it just allows some (with extra funds) to buy their way out while accomplishing nothing. 

Dead animal or dead carrot - what is the difference?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is almost funny &#8211; everyone should suffer so the veggies get what &#8216;they&#8217; consider a satisfactory meal.</p>
<p>Feed all participants anything you want &#8211; the next meal they will go back to their normal type of food.</p>
<p>The only control and guide there is or can be is economic. If something costs more then people may and often will change their choice. </p>
<p>The offering of green power is silly &#8211; it should be part of the mix and everyone pay their share. The way it is presently used it just allows some (with extra funds) to buy their way out while accomplishing nothing. </p>
<p>Dead animal or dead carrot &#8211; what is the difference?</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jean, this is a very good point. The vegetarian meal is likely to be better if it is being served to everybody, or at least designed as the default option.
And I agree with you--the illustration doesn&#039;t appear to be very yummy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jean, this is a very good point. The vegetarian meal is likely to be better if it is being served to everybody, or at least designed as the default option.<br />
And I agree with you&#8211;the illustration doesn&#8217;t appear to be very yummy!</p>
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		<title>By: Jean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 04:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It may be less sheeplike behavior amenable to &quot;reframing&quot;and more smart consumer behavior than you think. If I think the vegetarian dish is an afterthought, an accommodation by those who don&#039;t know vegetarian cooking, I won&#039;t select it--too often I have received a simple plate of bland steamed mixed vegetables which is not enjoyable, not balanced, and leaves me hungry. Take a look at the photo you&#039;ve used to represent a vegetarian meal!

But if it is the planned offering (the default as they unpalatablyput it) then I know they have put themselves on the line to make a good dish, and I&#039;ll choose it in a heartbeat. Others are making the same calculation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may be less sheeplike behavior amenable to &#8220;reframing&#8221;and more smart consumer behavior than you think. If I think the vegetarian dish is an afterthought, an accommodation by those who don&#8217;t know vegetarian cooking, I won&#8217;t select it&#8211;too often I have received a simple plate of bland steamed mixed vegetables which is not enjoyable, not balanced, and leaves me hungry. Take a look at the photo you&#8217;ve used to represent a vegetarian meal!</p>
<p>But if it is the planned offering (the default as they unpalatablyput it) then I know they have put themselves on the line to make a good dish, and I&#8217;ll choose it in a heartbeat. Others are making the same calculation.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Popko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Popko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Louis Tenenbaum brought this article to my attention.  After reading I am curious about the level of satisfaction of the meat by default group vs the veggie by default group. Did having to ask for your preferred entree impact the level of satisfaction?  Hopefully both dishes were equally tasty so as not to skew the data.  Great read. Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Louis Tenenbaum brought this article to my attention.  After reading I am curious about the level of satisfaction of the meat by default group vs the veggie by default group. Did having to ask for your preferred entree impact the level of satisfaction?  Hopefully both dishes were equally tasty so as not to skew the data.  Great read. Thank you.</p>
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