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	<title>Comments on: John Farrell: Say no to transmission</title>
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		<title>By: Michael Goggin, American Wind Energy Association</title>
		<link>http://www.marcgunther.com/2009/10/24/john-harrell-say-no-to-transmission/comment-page-1/#comment-283810</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Goggin, American Wind Energy Association</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 19:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, a few comments on your column.

First of all, I think setting up an either-or choice between utilizing local renewable energy resources or better, more remote renewable resources is the entirely wrong way to look at energy policy. Too often we get sidetracked into these kind of debates and lose track of what Bill McKibben calls the &quot;fierce urgency of now&quot; (http://www.thestar.com/article/607657) - i.e. the need to do everything we can as soon as we can to change the carbon trajectory of our economy to avoid the worst consequences of severe climate change.

There is no reason why developing local renewable resources is or should be mutually exclusive with developing resources that are currently more remote. For example, offshore wind in the Northeast is actually highly complementary with wind from the Midwest, since offshore wind blows more during the day while Midwestern wind produces the most at night.

Right now there are over 300,000 MW of wind plants waiting to connect to the grid, but are unable to do so because of the inadequacy of our power grid. That number is not a typo - 300,000 MW is more than 10 times the amount of wind we currently have installed. We need all of that wind energy and more to be developed as soon as possible if we are to avoid the worst consequences of climate change.

Also, your article overlooks the fact that developing local renewable resources will still require a large amount of transmission. In the Northeast and other highly populated regions, the best renewable resources are still located at considerable distance from where people live. Developing those resources will require large amounts of new transmission lines.

Similarly, you also attempt to claim that people in the Northeast would be net &quot;losers&quot; from building transmission to bring in wind from the Midwest. In fact, every study that has looked at the issue has found that consumers in the Northeast would realize net benefits to the tune of over $15 billion per year if transmission were built to bring in low-cost wind energy to offset their use of high-cost fossil fuels. (http://awea.org/pubs/factsheets/Transmission_and_Consumer_Savings.pdf) The only people who might not like new transmission are fossil fueled power plant owners in the Northeast who don&#039;t want competition that will limit their ability to charge exorbitant prices for electricity, but you won&#039;t see me shedding any tears for them.

Michael Goggin,
American Wind Energy Association</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, a few comments on your column.</p>
<p>First of all, I think setting up an either-or choice between utilizing local renewable energy resources or better, more remote renewable resources is the entirely wrong way to look at energy policy. Too often we get sidetracked into these kind of debates and lose track of what Bill McKibben calls the &#8220;fierce urgency of now&#8221; (<a href="http://www.thestar.com/article/607657" rel="nofollow">http://www.thestar.com/article/607657</a>) &#8211; i.e. the need to do everything we can as soon as we can to change the carbon trajectory of our economy to avoid the worst consequences of severe climate change.</p>
<p>There is no reason why developing local renewable resources is or should be mutually exclusive with developing resources that are currently more remote. For example, offshore wind in the Northeast is actually highly complementary with wind from the Midwest, since offshore wind blows more during the day while Midwestern wind produces the most at night.</p>
<p>Right now there are over 300,000 MW of wind plants waiting to connect to the grid, but are unable to do so because of the inadequacy of our power grid. That number is not a typo &#8211; 300,000 MW is more than 10 times the amount of wind we currently have installed. We need all of that wind energy and more to be developed as soon as possible if we are to avoid the worst consequences of climate change.</p>
<p>Also, your article overlooks the fact that developing local renewable resources will still require a large amount of transmission. In the Northeast and other highly populated regions, the best renewable resources are still located at considerable distance from where people live. Developing those resources will require large amounts of new transmission lines.</p>
<p>Similarly, you also attempt to claim that people in the Northeast would be net &#8220;losers&#8221; from building transmission to bring in wind from the Midwest. In fact, every study that has looked at the issue has found that consumers in the Northeast would realize net benefits to the tune of over $15 billion per year if transmission were built to bring in low-cost wind energy to offset their use of high-cost fossil fuels. (<a href="http://awea.org/pubs/factsheets/Transmission_and_Consumer_Savings.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://awea.org/pubs/factsheets/Transmission_and_Consumer_Savings.pdf</a>) The only people who might not like new transmission are fossil fueled power plant owners in the Northeast who don&#8217;t want competition that will limit their ability to charge exorbitant prices for electricity, but you won&#8217;t see me shedding any tears for them.</p>
<p>Michael Goggin,<br />
American Wind Energy Association</p>
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		<title>By: Pro Transmission</title>
		<link>http://www.marcgunther.com/2009/10/24/john-harrell-say-no-to-transmission/comment-page-1/#comment-283796</link>
		<dc:creator>Pro Transmission</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, by all means, let&#039;s avoid building transmission lines that can ensure power can be wheeled as needed nationwide. If a brownout hits one area due to overload, why should we be able to bring in power via another route or source? National security and energy stability is soooo overrated.  While we&#039;re at it, let&#039;s get rid of the interstate highway system so we can enjoy the additional productivity of small, locally distributed roads with varying degrees of efficiency connecting them to other transportation routes, and lots of different tolls and stop signs at random points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, by all means, let&#8217;s avoid building transmission lines that can ensure power can be wheeled as needed nationwide. If a brownout hits one area due to overload, why should we be able to bring in power via another route or source? National security and energy stability is soooo overrated.  While we&#8217;re at it, let&#8217;s get rid of the interstate highway system so we can enjoy the additional productivity of small, locally distributed roads with varying degrees of efficiency connecting them to other transportation routes, and lots of different tolls and stop signs at random points.</p>
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		<title>By: John Farrell</title>
		<link>http://www.marcgunther.com/2009/10/24/john-harrell-say-no-to-transmission/comment-page-1/#comment-283778</link>
		<dc:creator>John Farrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jacob,

There are places where there is no wind and tradeoffs may be required, such as tapping solar power instead of wind.  

The point of my commentary is not to argue that everyone should be self-sufficient (e.g. off the grid), but that we should prioritize local self-reliance when the cost is similar to that of building an interstate transmission superhighway.  There&#039;s a lot of middle ground.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jacob,</p>
<p>There are places where there is no wind and tradeoffs may be required, such as tapping solar power instead of wind.  </p>
<p>The point of my commentary is not to argue that everyone should be self-sufficient (e.g. off the grid), but that we should prioritize local self-reliance when the cost is similar to that of building an interstate transmission superhighway.  There&#8217;s a lot of middle ground.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Bagge</title>
		<link>http://www.marcgunther.com/2009/10/24/john-harrell-say-no-to-transmission/comment-page-1/#comment-283771</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob Bagge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What happens when there is no &quot;local&quot; wind? Don’t you need transmission lines for that?
Do people like high, noisy wind power towers better than silent power lines?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happens when there is no &#8220;local&#8221; wind? Don’t you need transmission lines for that?<br />
Do people like high, noisy wind power towers better than silent power lines?</p>
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		<title>By: Francesca Rheannon</title>
		<link>http://www.marcgunther.com/2009/10/24/john-harrell-say-no-to-transmission/comment-page-1/#comment-283767</link>
		<dc:creator>Francesca Rheannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction to above: the law the road to renewables follows I mentioned in the first sentence: the one paved with good intentions that leads to a very hot place!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction to above: the law the road to renewables follows I mentioned in the first sentence: the one paved with good intentions that leads to a very hot place!</p>
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		<title>By: Francesca Rheannon</title>
		<link>http://www.marcgunther.com/2009/10/24/john-harrell-say-no-to-transmission/comment-page-1/#comment-283766</link>
		<dc:creator>Francesca Rheannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At last, some sense about the superiority of &quot;going local&quot; when it comes to renewables. The road to renewables seems to follow the same law as much of other human endeavor does -- especially when the Big Kahunas, like T. Boone Pickens, stand to gain from &quot;remote renewables&quot; and can dominate the discourse. But let&#039;s also give a mention to not just locally produced, but community-owned wind power. On Sea Change Radio, I reported on Juhl Wind Development, a publicly-traded company that helps communities build wind projects for their own use [http://www.cchange.net/2008/07/16/the-community-building-power-of-wind/]. 
But let us not forget also that even locally-sourced renewable energy can pave the road to Hell, as we saw from this week&#039;s report from Science on how biomass energy can end up destroying healthy, carbon-eating forests and end up increasing carbon emissions. Ian Bowles, mentioned above, has been pushing 5 biomass plants in Massachusetts. You can find a debate on the merits and flaws of biomass on Sea Change Radio [http://www.cchange.net/2009/07/29/biomass-or-biomess-a-debate/]. I ran into one of the show&#039;s debaters, Chris Matera of MA Forests.org at yesterday&#039;s 350.org event in Northampton, MA, and he told me a member of his organization was the one who pushed to get the information that resulted in the Science report out. It looks likely that new accounting rules will be developed to prevent biomass sourced from healthy forests from being counted as offsets for carbon emissions. Which goes to show that &quot;local&quot; activists can have a &quot;global&quot; impact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At last, some sense about the superiority of &#8220;going local&#8221; when it comes to renewables. The road to renewables seems to follow the same law as much of other human endeavor does &#8212; especially when the Big Kahunas, like T. Boone Pickens, stand to gain from &#8220;remote renewables&#8221; and can dominate the discourse. But let&#8217;s also give a mention to not just locally produced, but community-owned wind power. On Sea Change Radio, I reported on Juhl Wind Development, a publicly-traded company that helps communities build wind projects for their own use [http://www.cchange.net/2008/07/16/the-community-building-power-of-wind/].<br />
But let us not forget also that even locally-sourced renewable energy can pave the road to Hell, as we saw from this week&#8217;s report from Science on how biomass energy can end up destroying healthy, carbon-eating forests and end up increasing carbon emissions. Ian Bowles, mentioned above, has been pushing 5 biomass plants in Massachusetts. You can find a debate on the merits and flaws of biomass on Sea Change Radio [http://www.cchange.net/2009/07/29/biomass-or-biomess-a-debate/]. I ran into one of the show&#8217;s debaters, Chris Matera of MA Forests.org at yesterday&#8217;s 350.org event in Northampton, MA, and he told me a member of his organization was the one who pushed to get the information that resulted in the Science report out. It looks likely that new accounting rules will be developed to prevent biomass sourced from healthy forests from being counted as offsets for carbon emissions. Which goes to show that &#8220;local&#8221; activists can have a &#8220;global&#8221; impact.</p>
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