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		<title>By: Bill Rodonski</title>
		<link>http://www.marcgunther.com/2008/03/25/war-and-pax/comment-page-1/#comment-44236</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Rodonski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I may, a brief scanning of AECOM&#039;s web site finds it littered with pictures of tanks, machine guns and military personnel in action. It says among their areas of expertise are:

Ammunition Supply
Convoy Escorts
Force Protection

Last time I checked ammunition is &quot;obviously lethal&quot; but I guess the distinction is manufacturing it versus transporting it? Pax shareholders should be rightly upset that this judgment call has been made on their behalf. I can understand why Mr. Keefe doesn&#039;t care to discuss this with his shareholders as I imagine many of them would be appalled and employ a negative screen towards Pax.

Sincerely,
Bill Rodonski</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I may, a brief scanning of AECOM&#8217;s web site finds it littered with pictures of tanks, machine guns and military personnel in action. It says among their areas of expertise are:</p>
<p>Ammunition Supply<br />
Convoy Escorts<br />
Force Protection</p>
<p>Last time I checked ammunition is &#8220;obviously lethal&#8221; but I guess the distinction is manufacturing it versus transporting it? Pax shareholders should be rightly upset that this judgment call has been made on their behalf. I can understand why Mr. Keefe doesn&#8217;t care to discuss this with his shareholders as I imagine many of them would be appalled and employ a negative screen towards Pax.</p>
<p>Sincerely,<br />
Bill Rodonski</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Keefe</title>
		<link>http://www.marcgunther.com/2008/03/25/war-and-pax/comment-page-1/#comment-44233</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Keefe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a point of information: AECOM is not listed on the KLD database for weapons involvement.  If you look at the AECOM company report, it lists no involvement in weapons for AECOM; or if you run a query for all US companies with military involvement, AECOM isnâ€™t on the list.  So, KLD apparently agrees with Pax on this issue.  As I have said already, this is a judgment call.  In this business, we have to make them all of the time, and reasonable people can disagree.  With all due respect to Eric Bright, I will probably not follow his advice and do a letter to Pax World shareholders each time he disagrees with one of our decisions. 

 

Respectfully,     

 

Joe Keefe

President &amp; CEO

Pax World Management Corp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a point of information: AECOM is not listed on the KLD database for weapons involvement.  If you look at the AECOM company report, it lists no involvement in weapons for AECOM; or if you run a query for all US companies with military involvement, AECOM isnâ€™t on the list.  So, KLD apparently agrees with Pax on this issue.  As I have said already, this is a judgment call.  In this business, we have to make them all of the time, and reasonable people can disagree.  With all due respect to Eric Bright, I will probably not follow his advice and do a letter to Pax World shareholders each time he disagrees with one of our decisions. </p>
<p>Respectfully,     </p>
<p>Joe Keefe</p>
<p>President &amp; CEO</p>
<p>Pax World Management Corp.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark W. McElroy</title>
		<link>http://www.marcgunther.com/2008/03/25/war-and-pax/comment-page-1/#comment-44212</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark W. McElroy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marc:

I think the semantics being used here are confused and confusing.  You cite the ratings being done by companies like KLD, Innovest, and so forth as contrary examples to screens.  But what is a rating system if not a screen by another name?  Both consist of value-based criteria for qualifying investment targets.  SRI screens tend to be comparatively simplified in that they are binary in form.  A company is either selling weapons or it isn&#039;t.  Rating schemes tend to be more complex, but they are still screens.  The very choice of what metrics to use in such systems is a value-based decision.  So all seem to have here is single-variable screens and multi-variable screens.

Regards,

Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marc:</p>
<p>I think the semantics being used here are confused and confusing.  You cite the ratings being done by companies like KLD, Innovest, and so forth as contrary examples to screens.  But what is a rating system if not a screen by another name?  Both consist of value-based criteria for qualifying investment targets.  SRI screens tend to be comparatively simplified in that they are binary in form.  A company is either selling weapons or it isn&#8217;t.  Rating schemes tend to be more complex, but they are still screens.  The very choice of what metrics to use in such systems is a value-based decision.  So all seem to have here is single-variable screens and multi-variable screens.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Mark</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Bright</title>
		<link>http://www.marcgunther.com/2008/03/25/war-and-pax/comment-page-1/#comment-44194</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Bright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Pax World,
I would welcome Joe Keefe to make his case directly to all Pax World fundsâ€™ shareholders as he has done here.  In the next letter to them, describe the facts regarding AECOM.  We can continue this discussion amongst the group of us as long as we like, but the bottom line is that it is not our money at stake.
Let your clients read about it! Reveal the information needed for them to make an informed decision.
Sincerely,
Eric Bright</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Pax World,<br />
I would welcome Joe Keefe to make his case directly to all Pax World fundsâ€™ shareholders as he has done here.  In the next letter to them, describe the facts regarding AECOM.  We can continue this discussion amongst the group of us as long as we like, but the bottom line is that it is not our money at stake.<br />
Let your clients read about it! Reveal the information needed for them to make an informed decision.<br />
Sincerely,<br />
Eric Bright</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
		<link>http://www.marcgunther.com/2008/03/25/war-and-pax/comment-page-1/#comment-44188</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe, Eric, Markâ€¦thanks for your thoughtful comments. I see two distinct issues here. 

First, Should Paxâ€™s weapons screen have kept AECOM out? 

Second, do SRI screens do any good?

On AECOM, I donâ€™t want to accuse Pax or Joe or Julie Gorte, the firmâ€™s research chief (another terrific SRI person) of hypocrisy. Yes, itâ€™s a judgment call. In my judgment, AECOM is not merely a supplier to the military, selling clothing or food or computers. They have many, many thousands of people in Iraq and Kuwait. They are part of the privatized Army. They are getting sole-source contracts (yuk) in Iraq. See the quotes above. Joe says that a weapons screen is a â€œlegitimate tool for SRI investors, like ours, who choose not to profit from violence and war.â€ In my judgment, thatâ€™s what AECOM is doing. I donâ€™t think a fund thatâ€™s called â€œPaxâ€ and uses thems of â€œpeaceâ€ and â€œno weaponsâ€ in its ads should be invested in AECOM. Reasonable people like Joe will disagree.

On screens, I wish I hadnâ€™t described them as â€œsilly.â€ I respect pacifists, Quakers, Mormons or others with religious beliefs or values who donâ€™t want to be invested in weapons, alcohol, tobacco, gambling and the like.  Let them have their own specialized funds, none of which will grow very big.

I also like Joeâ€™s idea of â€œsustainable investingâ€ which, as I understand it, focuses mostly on seeking out â€œgoodâ€ (or at least better) companies that will do well for investors. I think thatâ€™s a better strategy, for investors and for the world, than trying to screen out â€œbadâ€ industries. And I had forgotten that Pax had eliminated its alcohol screen. 

I wish Pax and other SRI funds would now take the radical step of eliminating all screens. Hereâ€™s why.

My problem with screens is that they create the appearance of making a difference, but don&#039;t. I know they are well-meaning. But if they don&#039;t have an impact--and absent a social movement, like the ones around Darfur or apartheid, they don&#039;t--then what &quot;values&quot; are they in line with? They are about feeling good, when there&#039;s actually no reason to feel good. You haven&#039;t accomplished anything.

Whatâ€™s more, screens are blunt tools. Do we really oppose all weapons? Or alcohol? Or gambling?

Far more valuable is the shareholder activism carried out by SRI firms, or the ratings of companies done by people like KLD, Innovest and FTSE4Good, which incentivize companies to become more sustainable.


Most importantly, screens  limit the growth of SRI. They allows funds to be trivialized as &quot;feel-good funds&quot; or to across as relics of the 1960s. (A great decade, to be sure, but I donâ€™t want my money managed by people wearing tie-dyed shirts.) SRI is too important to be a niche.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, Eric, Markâ€¦thanks for your thoughtful comments. I see two distinct issues here. </p>
<p>First, Should Paxâ€™s weapons screen have kept AECOM out? </p>
<p>Second, do SRI screens do any good?</p>
<p>On AECOM, I donâ€™t want to accuse Pax or Joe or Julie Gorte, the firmâ€™s research chief (another terrific SRI person) of hypocrisy. Yes, itâ€™s a judgment call. In my judgment, AECOM is not merely a supplier to the military, selling clothing or food or computers. They have many, many thousands of people in Iraq and Kuwait. They are part of the privatized Army. They are getting sole-source contracts (yuk) in Iraq. See the quotes above. Joe says that a weapons screen is a â€œlegitimate tool for SRI investors, like ours, who choose not to profit from violence and war.â€ In my judgment, thatâ€™s what AECOM is doing. I donâ€™t think a fund thatâ€™s called â€œPaxâ€ and uses thems of â€œpeaceâ€ and â€œno weaponsâ€ in its ads should be invested in AECOM. Reasonable people like Joe will disagree.</p>
<p>On screens, I wish I hadnâ€™t described them as â€œsilly.â€ I respect pacifists, Quakers, Mormons or others with religious beliefs or values who donâ€™t want to be invested in weapons, alcohol, tobacco, gambling and the like.  Let them have their own specialized funds, none of which will grow very big.</p>
<p>I also like Joeâ€™s idea of â€œsustainable investingâ€ which, as I understand it, focuses mostly on seeking out â€œgoodâ€ (or at least better) companies that will do well for investors. I think thatâ€™s a better strategy, for investors and for the world, than trying to screen out â€œbadâ€ industries. And I had forgotten that Pax had eliminated its alcohol screen. </p>
<p>I wish Pax and other SRI funds would now take the radical step of eliminating all screens. Hereâ€™s why.</p>
<p>My problem with screens is that they create the appearance of making a difference, but don&#8217;t. I know they are well-meaning. But if they don&#8217;t have an impact&#8211;and absent a social movement, like the ones around Darfur or apartheid, they don&#8217;t&#8211;then what &#8220;values&#8221; are they in line with? They are about feeling good, when there&#8217;s actually no reason to feel good. You haven&#8217;t accomplished anything.</p>
<p>Whatâ€™s more, screens are blunt tools. Do we really oppose all weapons? Or alcohol? Or gambling?</p>
<p>Far more valuable is the shareholder activism carried out by SRI firms, or the ratings of companies done by people like KLD, Innovest and FTSE4Good, which incentivize companies to become more sustainable.</p>
<p>Most importantly, screens  limit the growth of SRI. They allows funds to be trivialized as &#8220;feel-good funds&#8221; or to across as relics of the 1960s. (A great decade, to be sure, but I donâ€™t want my money managed by people wearing tie-dyed shirts.) SRI is too important to be a niche.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark W. McElroy</title>
		<link>http://www.marcgunther.com/2008/03/25/war-and-pax/comment-page-1/#comment-44119</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark W. McElroy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 03:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All:

If I may wade into this, I have a few comments.

First, I think Joeâ€™s argument that SRI-type logic in investing is giving way to sustainability-based logic is good, but requires a finer point on it.  The fact is that both SRI-type and sustainability-based criteria for investing are values-based.  Indeed, all investing is.  Joe may not happen to agree with the negative screens used by SRI investors, but the preferences held by such investors are no less value-based, nor are his (although more sophisticated, they may be).

So in the end, what we have is a conflict between competing values â€“ negative screens versus positive screens.  One mainly excludes on the basis of values, the other mainly includes on the basis of values.  I frankly donâ€™t see much a difference here.  Just competing values vying for acceptance as the mantel of legitimacy.

That said, I do agree with Joe that (in my words) SRI funds tend to be rather arbitrary and relativistic, whereas sustainability funds (are there any?) tend to be more grounded in a unified view of human well-being.  Or as Joe puts it, â€œSustainable investing, by contrast, is explicitly progressive: it holds that the best companies (and the best investments) are those that act in the public interest; that serve all their stakeholders, not just shareholders; that do not externalize their costs onto society; and that pursue wealth creation strategies focused on the long term.â€

Still, is he saying that targets of SRI investments are explicitly regressive; consist of companies that donâ€™t act in the public interest; do not aim to serve all of their stakeholders; do seek to externalize their costs onto society; and pursue wealth creation strategies focused on only the short term?  Do all tobacco, alcohol, and weapons companies necessarily fit this description?  I guess I donâ€™t think so.

Let me be even more specific.  I agree with Joeâ€™s orientation towards sustainability as a basis for making investment decisions.  But I do not agree that Pax World has a basis for making related investment decisions any more than the SRI crowd that he critiques does.  For Pax World to have such a basis, it would have to have a quantitative means of comparing a companyâ€™s impacts on vital capitals in the world with normative claims for what such impacts ought to be.  I see no such thing in place.  Thus, I hear what Joe is saying and I agree with him, but I do not think the walk fully matches the talk.  Iâ€™d welcome his response to this.

Incidentally, the AECOM criticism of Marcâ€™s is nonsense.  No one need make any apologies for supporting national security, and all Joe really needs to say is that investing in it (as one form of vital capital required for human well-being in the U.S.) is completely compatible with a sustainability orientation.  All we need to do is think in terms of human well-being, and the preservation of vital capitals required to ensure it.  Armed with that, weâ€™d have a solid foundation for sustainable investing.  Beyond that, I say let the competing values compete, and let us embrace the competition as just that: a competition between values.  Thereâ€™s no shame in that, but there is in denying it.

Regards,

Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All:</p>
<p>If I may wade into this, I have a few comments.</p>
<p>First, I think Joeâ€™s argument that SRI-type logic in investing is giving way to sustainability-based logic is good, but requires a finer point on it.  The fact is that both SRI-type and sustainability-based criteria for investing are values-based.  Indeed, all investing is.  Joe may not happen to agree with the negative screens used by SRI investors, but the preferences held by such investors are no less value-based, nor are his (although more sophisticated, they may be).</p>
<p>So in the end, what we have is a conflict between competing values â€“ negative screens versus positive screens.  One mainly excludes on the basis of values, the other mainly includes on the basis of values.  I frankly donâ€™t see much a difference here.  Just competing values vying for acceptance as the mantel of legitimacy.</p>
<p>That said, I do agree with Joe that (in my words) SRI funds tend to be rather arbitrary and relativistic, whereas sustainability funds (are there any?) tend to be more grounded in a unified view of human well-being.  Or as Joe puts it, â€œSustainable investing, by contrast, is explicitly progressive: it holds that the best companies (and the best investments) are those that act in the public interest; that serve all their stakeholders, not just shareholders; that do not externalize their costs onto society; and that pursue wealth creation strategies focused on the long term.â€</p>
<p>Still, is he saying that targets of SRI investments are explicitly regressive; consist of companies that donâ€™t act in the public interest; do not aim to serve all of their stakeholders; do seek to externalize their costs onto society; and pursue wealth creation strategies focused on only the short term?  Do all tobacco, alcohol, and weapons companies necessarily fit this description?  I guess I donâ€™t think so.</p>
<p>Let me be even more specific.  I agree with Joeâ€™s orientation towards sustainability as a basis for making investment decisions.  But I do not agree that Pax World has a basis for making related investment decisions any more than the SRI crowd that he critiques does.  For Pax World to have such a basis, it would have to have a quantitative means of comparing a companyâ€™s impacts on vital capitals in the world with normative claims for what such impacts ought to be.  I see no such thing in place.  Thus, I hear what Joe is saying and I agree with him, but I do not think the walk fully matches the talk.  Iâ€™d welcome his response to this.</p>
<p>Incidentally, the AECOM criticism of Marcâ€™s is nonsense.  No one need make any apologies for supporting national security, and all Joe really needs to say is that investing in it (as one form of vital capital required for human well-being in the U.S.) is completely compatible with a sustainability orientation.  All we need to do is think in terms of human well-being, and the preservation of vital capitals required to ensure it.  Armed with that, weâ€™d have a solid foundation for sustainable investing.  Beyond that, I say let the competing values compete, and let us embrace the competition as just that: a competition between values.  Thereâ€™s no shame in that, but there is in denying it.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Mark</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Keefe</title>
		<link>http://www.marcgunther.com/2008/03/25/war-and-pax/comment-page-1/#comment-44067</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Keefe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 19:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>War and Pax: Pax World CEO Responds

Marc Guntherâ€™s recent posting, â€œWar and Pax,â€ faults my company, Pax World, for holding a company called AECOM in one or more of our investment portfolios.  Mark is a good guy, with whom I have indeed shared a glass of wine (as he mentions), but the question is one on which reasonable people can disagree.  So, I am rather disappointed that he would write a piece that implicitly â€“ but essentially â€“ charges my company with hypocrisy.  Let me try to respond as best I can.      

First, when anyone in the mutual fund business constructs investment portfolios they have to make judgment calls.  These may be related to financial issues â€“ e.g., a companyâ€™s P/E ratio or other quantitative valuation characteristics may be at the upper end of a particular portfolio managerâ€™s acceptable range, requiring a judgment call.  (In fact, this happens all the time, which is why stocks are generally selected by analysts and portfolio managers rather than by computers.)  Such judgment calls also come into play in analyzing environmental, social and governance (ESG) criteria, or in the application of exclusionary screens such as Pax Worldâ€™s weapons screen.  Under this screen, Pax avoids investing in companies that we determine are â€œsignificantly involved in the manufacture of weapons or weapons-related products.â€  We ordinarily consider â€œsignificant involvementâ€ to mean 20% or more of a companyâ€™s revenues although the threshold can be lower depending on the nature of the product (e.g., obviously lethal weapons systems).  Other SRI firms may employ differing criteria, but in every instance such criteria require analysts and portfolio managers to make judgment calls.           

While it is not ordinarily our practice to comment on companies that fail our ESG criteria, I can tell you that over the past year we have found numerous companies to be ineligible for Pax World portfolios under our weapons screen, including:

â€¢ A company that offers technology such as sensors, shooters and other systems related to precision strike capabilities for strike platforms, precision engagement applications and Unmanned Aircraft Systems (UAS).  We determined that 27% of the companyâ€™s revenues were weapons-related.   
â€¢ A company that helps develop, deploy and maintain weapons systems and military installations, including Naval surface warfare systems such as nuclear submarines and missile programs.  We determined that the companyâ€™s weapons-related revenues probably exceeded 20%.  
â€¢ A company that provides computer technology for DOE nuclear weapons laboratories, including computer simulations to predict the physics and effects of a nuclear blast.  
â€¢ A company involved in a joint venture with Lockheed Martin to help manage the UK Atomic Weapons Establishment (AWE), which provides the warheads for the UKâ€™s independent nuclear deterrent. 
â€¢ A company whose products and services include wireless networking for tactical communications, night vision equipment, electronic warfare technologies for military aircraft, military air traffic control systems, air defense radars, surveillance systems, aircraft armament systems, undersea warfare technologies such as minesweeping systems and composite structures for a variety of defense systems. We determined that weapons-related revenues were as high as 40%.  
â€¢ A company that develops, manufactures, and services military helicopters, military aircraft engines, and military aircraft systems including flight, engine control, and environmental control systems.  Although the companyâ€™s primary business is manufacturing elevators and escalators, HVAC and refrigeration systems, and fire and security systems, and although only 16% of its revenues were weapons-related, we excluded the company from investment based upon the nature of its weapons involvement.
â€¢ A company that designs and manufactures combat aircraft engines and propulsion systems for nuclear submarines and fighter jets, including afterburners for supersonic flight, features designed specifically for combat applications.  We determined that 22% of the companyâ€™s revenues were weapons-related.  
â€¢ A company that produces engines for military aircraft that have no civilian counterpart, including fighter jets, bombers and reconnaissance aircraft.  We determined that as much as 28% of the companyâ€™s revenue was probably weapons-related.
â€¢ A company that manufactures and services business jets as well as military trainer aircraft. Although the latter account for only 14 % of company revenues, we determined that their use for combat-related training was sufficient grounds for exclusion.   

In the case of AECOM, the company provides professional technical and management support services to a broad range of markets, including transportation facilities (bridges, highways, seaports, airports, rail); environmental (water supply, water treatment plants, dams, pumping stations, reservoirs); facilities design and maintenance (hotels, office buildings, manufacturing facilities, public and federal buildings); energy (including wind farms and other renewable energy and sustainable design projects); urban planning and design (plazas, waterfronts, historic districts); and international development assistance (conflict resolution, humanitarian response).   

One of the companyâ€™s divisions, AGS, does provide logistics services to the U.S. military in Iraq, Kuwait and Afghanistan. Specifically, it recruits, screens, hires and transports US and third-country nationals for maintenance, repair, and inventory functions, including driving fuel tankers and repairing civilian and military vehicles. The company also provides security and force protection services at military bases, including trained dog handlers to detect explosives, security access (e.g., swipe cards) at installations, and crowd control.  It trains civilian police forces â€“ but according to company materials it does not provide weapons training to Iraqi soldiers.  It also provides support to the multinational peacekeeping forces at the Egypt-Israel border.  At Fort Polk, AECOM manages the facility where the military teaches weapons training, and provides similar services at the Center for Security Training in Aberdeen, Maryland.  According to the company, it provides logistics and security services (e.g., scheduling, maintenance, access, HVAC, etc.) at these facilities; it is not involved in the weapons training itself.  According to our research analysts, a relatively insignificant portion of company revenues â€“ approximately 4 % - is derived from defense contracts (which are not synonymous with weapons contracts).   

So, AECOM may have required a judgment call under our weapons criteria, and one can disagree with our decision, but after careful research our ESG analysts determined that the company did not fail our weapons screen â€“ and I think they made the right call.  Reasonable people can disagree, but under the circumstances, to suggest hypocrisy on Paxâ€™s part is a bit much.    

There are technology companies that provide computers to the US armed forces, and pharmaceutical companies that provide medicines and drugs, and apparel companies that provide uniforms, and food and beverage companies that provide nourishment.  For most SRI portfolios, including Pax World Funds, the fact that a company contracts with the US military to provide certain products or support services is not a sufficient reason for excluding the company.  The picture is usually more complex than that, as we live in a complex world.  

I am as personally opposed to the Iraq War as Marc Gunther is.  However, I support legitimate efforts to defend our nation, including combating terror and bringing Osama Bin Laden to justice; and I support the legitimate use of force under international humanitarian law (to prevent genocide, for example), which requires troops and weapons.  These are my personal views.  I realize that not all socially responsible investors will agree.  In fact, SRI investors probably run the gamut â€“ from pacifists to members of the military and their families â€“ and likely hold a diversity of opinions when it comes to national security and defense issues.  A weapons screen, though not perfect, also is not â€œsilly,â€ as Marc Gunther charges (neither is a tobacco screen, in my view).  It can be a legitimate tool for SRI investors, like ours, who choose not to profit from violence and war â€“ not a perfect tool, mind you, but a legitimate one.     

Divesting each and every company that has any contracts whatsoever with the US military, regardless of the nature of the products or services involved, would be silly.  It is one of the reasons why Pax World revised its former zero-tolerance screen a few years back and substituted a more practical approach.  Our colleagues at Calvert recently revised their weapons screen as well, and I would refer you to a very thoughtful release they have put out on the subject. http://www.calvert.com/news_newsArticle.html?article=12814&amp;image=srinews.gif&amp;keepleftnav=SRI+News&amp;RSSFeedName=Calvert+News+All                          

Finally, as Marc Gunther surely knows, I am largely in agreement with him when it comes to values-based exclusionary screens.  I have recently published two articles on the subject â€“ â€œFrom SRI to Sustainable Investingâ€ and â€œSustainable Investing and Valuesâ€ â€“ in Green Money Journal (www.greenmoneyjournal.com).  (The articles are also available on Pax Worldâ€™s web site (www.paxworld.com).  Under the circumstances, I wonder why he would bother to resurrect the Starbucks example as more Pax World â€œsilliness,â€ without referencing the fact that we have addressed the issue publicly, have eliminated our alcohol screen, and have been strong advocates for the transition from values-based SRI to ESG-based Sustainable Investing.

I believe Pax Worldâ€™s weapons screen â€“ along with our tobacco screen â€“ will continue to play a valuable role in our investment approach.  As Marc Gunther notes, Pax means peace.  We take this work very seriously, and we work very hard at it.  Over the past few years, we have taken a number of measures to modernize our ESG criteria and to improve our screening process.  We are constantly striving to make further improvements.  In the meantime, there will always be judgment calls, and we will make mistakes on occasion.  (I donâ€™t think this was one of them.)  We are not perfect but neither are we hypocrites, and I donâ€™t think the AECOM example can be the basis for such an insinuation.

Respectfully,

Joseph Keefe
President and CEO
Pax World Management Corp.</description>
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<p>Marc Guntherâ€™s recent posting, â€œWar and Pax,â€ faults my company, Pax World, for holding a company called AECOM in one or more of our investment portfolios.  Mark is a good guy, with whom I have indeed shared a glass of wine (as he mentions), but the question is one on which reasonable people can disagree.  So, I am rather disappointed that he would write a piece that implicitly â€“ but essentially â€“ charges my company with hypocrisy.  Let me try to respond as best I can.      </p>
<p>First, when anyone in the mutual fund business constructs investment portfolios they have to make judgment calls.  These may be related to financial issues â€“ e.g., a companyâ€™s P/E ratio or other quantitative valuation characteristics may be at the upper end of a particular portfolio managerâ€™s acceptable range, requiring a judgment call.  (In fact, this happens all the time, which is why stocks are generally selected by analysts and portfolio managers rather than by computers.)  Such judgment calls also come into play in analyzing environmental, social and governance (ESG) criteria, or in the application of exclusionary screens such as Pax Worldâ€™s weapons screen.  Under this screen, Pax avoids investing in companies that we determine are â€œsignificantly involved in the manufacture of weapons or weapons-related products.â€  We ordinarily consider â€œsignificant involvementâ€ to mean 20% or more of a companyâ€™s revenues although the threshold can be lower depending on the nature of the product (e.g., obviously lethal weapons systems).  Other SRI firms may employ differing criteria, but in every instance such criteria require analysts and portfolio managers to make judgment calls.           </p>
<p>While it is not ordinarily our practice to comment on companies that fail our ESG criteria, I can tell you that over the past year we have found numerous companies to be ineligible for Pax World portfolios under our weapons screen, including:</p>
<p>â€¢ A company that offers technology such as sensors, shooters and other systems related to precision strike capabilities for strike platforms, precision engagement applications and Unmanned Aircraft Systems (UAS).  We determined that 27% of the companyâ€™s revenues were weapons-related.<br />
â€¢ A company that helps develop, deploy and maintain weapons systems and military installations, including Naval surface warfare systems such as nuclear submarines and missile programs.  We determined that the companyâ€™s weapons-related revenues probably exceeded 20%.<br />
â€¢ A company that provides computer technology for DOE nuclear weapons laboratories, including computer simulations to predict the physics and effects of a nuclear blast.<br />
â€¢ A company involved in a joint venture with Lockheed Martin to help manage the UK Atomic Weapons Establishment (AWE), which provides the warheads for the UKâ€™s independent nuclear deterrent.<br />
â€¢ A company whose products and services include wireless networking for tactical communications, night vision equipment, electronic warfare technologies for military aircraft, military air traffic control systems, air defense radars, surveillance systems, aircraft armament systems, undersea warfare technologies such as minesweeping systems and composite structures for a variety of defense systems. We determined that weapons-related revenues were as high as 40%.<br />
â€¢ A company that develops, manufactures, and services military helicopters, military aircraft engines, and military aircraft systems including flight, engine control, and environmental control systems.  Although the companyâ€™s primary business is manufacturing elevators and escalators, HVAC and refrigeration systems, and fire and security systems, and although only 16% of its revenues were weapons-related, we excluded the company from investment based upon the nature of its weapons involvement.<br />
â€¢ A company that designs and manufactures combat aircraft engines and propulsion systems for nuclear submarines and fighter jets, including afterburners for supersonic flight, features designed specifically for combat applications.  We determined that 22% of the companyâ€™s revenues were weapons-related.<br />
â€¢ A company that produces engines for military aircraft that have no civilian counterpart, including fighter jets, bombers and reconnaissance aircraft.  We determined that as much as 28% of the companyâ€™s revenue was probably weapons-related.<br />
â€¢ A company that manufactures and services business jets as well as military trainer aircraft. Although the latter account for only 14 % of company revenues, we determined that their use for combat-related training was sufficient grounds for exclusion.   </p>
<p>In the case of AECOM, the company provides professional technical and management support services to a broad range of markets, including transportation facilities (bridges, highways, seaports, airports, rail); environmental (water supply, water treatment plants, dams, pumping stations, reservoirs); facilities design and maintenance (hotels, office buildings, manufacturing facilities, public and federal buildings); energy (including wind farms and other renewable energy and sustainable design projects); urban planning and design (plazas, waterfronts, historic districts); and international development assistance (conflict resolution, humanitarian response).   </p>
<p>One of the companyâ€™s divisions, AGS, does provide logistics services to the U.S. military in Iraq, Kuwait and Afghanistan. Specifically, it recruits, screens, hires and transports US and third-country nationals for maintenance, repair, and inventory functions, including driving fuel tankers and repairing civilian and military vehicles. The company also provides security and force protection services at military bases, including trained dog handlers to detect explosives, security access (e.g., swipe cards) at installations, and crowd control.  It trains civilian police forces â€“ but according to company materials it does not provide weapons training to Iraqi soldiers.  It also provides support to the multinational peacekeeping forces at the Egypt-Israel border.  At Fort Polk, AECOM manages the facility where the military teaches weapons training, and provides similar services at the Center for Security Training in Aberdeen, Maryland.  According to the company, it provides logistics and security services (e.g., scheduling, maintenance, access, HVAC, etc.) at these facilities; it is not involved in the weapons training itself.  According to our research analysts, a relatively insignificant portion of company revenues â€“ approximately 4 % &#8211; is derived from defense contracts (which are not synonymous with weapons contracts).   </p>
<p>So, AECOM may have required a judgment call under our weapons criteria, and one can disagree with our decision, but after careful research our ESG analysts determined that the company did not fail our weapons screen â€“ and I think they made the right call.  Reasonable people can disagree, but under the circumstances, to suggest hypocrisy on Paxâ€™s part is a bit much.    </p>
<p>There are technology companies that provide computers to the US armed forces, and pharmaceutical companies that provide medicines and drugs, and apparel companies that provide uniforms, and food and beverage companies that provide nourishment.  For most SRI portfolios, including Pax World Funds, the fact that a company contracts with the US military to provide certain products or support services is not a sufficient reason for excluding the company.  The picture is usually more complex than that, as we live in a complex world.  </p>
<p>I am as personally opposed to the Iraq War as Marc Gunther is.  However, I support legitimate efforts to defend our nation, including combating terror and bringing Osama Bin Laden to justice; and I support the legitimate use of force under international humanitarian law (to prevent genocide, for example), which requires troops and weapons.  These are my personal views.  I realize that not all socially responsible investors will agree.  In fact, SRI investors probably run the gamut â€“ from pacifists to members of the military and their families â€“ and likely hold a diversity of opinions when it comes to national security and defense issues.  A weapons screen, though not perfect, also is not â€œsilly,â€ as Marc Gunther charges (neither is a tobacco screen, in my view).  It can be a legitimate tool for SRI investors, like ours, who choose not to profit from violence and war â€“ not a perfect tool, mind you, but a legitimate one.     </p>
<p>Divesting each and every company that has any contracts whatsoever with the US military, regardless of the nature of the products or services involved, would be silly.  It is one of the reasons why Pax World revised its former zero-tolerance screen a few years back and substituted a more practical approach.  Our colleagues at Calvert recently revised their weapons screen as well, and I would refer you to a very thoughtful release they have put out on the subject. <a href="http://www.calvert.com/news_newsArticle.html?article=12814&amp;image=srinews.gif&amp;keepleftnav=SRI+News&amp;RSSFeedName=Calvert+News+All" rel="nofollow">http://www.calvert.com/news_newsArticle.html?article=12814&amp;image=srinews.gif&amp;keepleftnav=SRI+News&amp;RSSFeedName=Calvert+News+All</a>                          </p>
<p>Finally, as Marc Gunther surely knows, I am largely in agreement with him when it comes to values-based exclusionary screens.  I have recently published two articles on the subject â€“ â€œFrom SRI to Sustainable Investingâ€ and â€œSustainable Investing and Valuesâ€ â€“ in Green Money Journal (www.greenmoneyjournal.com).  (The articles are also available on Pax Worldâ€™s web site (www.paxworld.com).  Under the circumstances, I wonder why he would bother to resurrect the Starbucks example as more Pax World â€œsilliness,â€ without referencing the fact that we have addressed the issue publicly, have eliminated our alcohol screen, and have been strong advocates for the transition from values-based SRI to ESG-based Sustainable Investing.</p>
<p>I believe Pax Worldâ€™s weapons screen â€“ along with our tobacco screen â€“ will continue to play a valuable role in our investment approach.  As Marc Gunther notes, Pax means peace.  We take this work very seriously, and we work very hard at it.  Over the past few years, we have taken a number of measures to modernize our ESG criteria and to improve our screening process.  We are constantly striving to make further improvements.  In the meantime, there will always be judgment calls, and we will make mistakes on occasion.  (I donâ€™t think this was one of them.)  We are not perfect but neither are we hypocrites, and I donâ€™t think the AECOM example can be the basis for such an insinuation.</p>
<p>Respectfully,</p>
<p>Joseph Keefe<br />
President and CEO<br />
Pax World Management Corp.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Robins</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 14:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m, glad to have come across your blog. Clearly, SRI investors will frequently disagree about specifics. However, I believe that if everyone does invest according to their personal values, then, since so many of core values are alike -- and are supportive of higher ideals -- that in the long run, only companies employing these higher values will truly prosper.

Incidentally, I&#039;ve been following socially responsible investing for forty years. For readers interested in the latest global socially responsible and green investing news and research, they might find my site quite helpful. It&#039;s at http://investingforthesoul.com/

Best wishes, Ron Robins</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m, glad to have come across your blog. Clearly, SRI investors will frequently disagree about specifics. However, I believe that if everyone does invest according to their personal values, then, since so many of core values are alike &#8212; and are supportive of higher ideals &#8212; that in the long run, only companies employing these higher values will truly prosper.</p>
<p>Incidentally, I&#8217;ve been following socially responsible investing for forty years. For readers interested in the latest global socially responsible and green investing news and research, they might find my site quite helpful. It&#8217;s at <a href="http://investingforthesoul.com/" rel="nofollow">http://investingforthesoul.com/</a></p>
<p>Best wishes, Ron Robins</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Bright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Bright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 04:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I would disagree with Marcâ€™s take on ethical screens, which I believe still have special relevance even in todayâ€™s world, Marc and I are in agreement that Pax World should NOT be investing in AECOM.  And we agree that this is about more than one stock in one fund family.  Socially responsible investing has reached a turning point.  Do we invest with purpose according to our ethical values or do we as investors simply harvest â€œgreenâ€ profits coincident with our values, or even sometimes in spite of them?

The latter model, misleadingly named â€œsustainable investing,â€ has come into fashion among many socially responsible funds. As Joe Keefe writes in a recent, provocative white paper, available on Pax Worldâ€™s website, â€œalthough SRI (socially responsible investing) and sustainable investing are clearly related and share elements in common, they are not the same, nor is sustainable investing simply a subset of SRI.  Sustainable investing is actually an emerging investment discipline, founded on the principle that the full integration of ESG (environmental, social and governance) factors into financial analysis and decision making is a strategy for identifying better long-term investments.â€  In my mind, this approach invests without soul, ethically empty and ultimately in pursuit of growth for the sake of further growth.

Do we stick to our values and invest in a way that can bring about a better future, by avoiding some stocks and advocating for change with others?  Joe Keefe argues that it is â€œvirtually impossible to justify in financial terms an exclusionary screen based solely on a value judgment.â€  Excuse me, my clients and I are doing just fine, and we invest according to set screens (and Iâ€™m certain there are plenty of others who can say the same).  Itâ€™s not about the screens; itâ€™s about playing a skillful effort inside the rules of the game.  With hundreds upon hundreds of stocks in the U.S. market alone, depending upon what your market capitalization constraints are, there are plenty of prospective investments available without wading into the muck of tobacco, nuclear or weapons-related stocks. 

To close with one last thought from Joe Keefeâ€™s paper: â€œMy only point was that, historically, SRI has been largely defined or understood in terms of its negative screens, and that this positioning is problematic â€” it tends to repel rather than attract investors, and retard rather than accelerate the industryâ€™s growth.â€  Dear Joe, are you mostly interested in the growth of your investment industry?

From my point of view, it is the values of investors, my clients and yours, whose wishes should be respected.  If they donâ€™t want to invest in war contractors, then we shouldnâ€™t invest their portfolios in them.  And Pax World certainly shouldnâ€™t be advertising that we â€œpromote peaceâ€ and â€œno weaponsâ€ when in fact they slip an AECOM into their portfolios.

Investors may be smart, but we as an investment industry have outsmarted them.  Weâ€™ve positioned ourselves as intermediaries between them and their ultimate investments.  Between investors and their investments are financial planners, brokers, advisers, mutual funds, fund managers and others as well.  With so many layers of intermediaries, each obscuring, wittingly or not, the nature of the ultimate investment portfolio and each extracting payment, itâ€™s a wonder any investor knows exactly what they are invested in!

We should better explain to investors what we do, and what we invest in, so that they can decide what they will do.  SRIgreen.com has been established with the hope that it will become one of the resources ethical investors can turn to, so that they can better decide how to allocate their portfolios.

The reality is that folks trust our socially responsible investment industry, at least many do, and trust us enough to allow us to manage their money.  And they expect us to do right by them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I would disagree with Marcâ€™s take on ethical screens, which I believe still have special relevance even in todayâ€™s world, Marc and I are in agreement that Pax World should NOT be investing in AECOM.  And we agree that this is about more than one stock in one fund family.  Socially responsible investing has reached a turning point.  Do we invest with purpose according to our ethical values or do we as investors simply harvest â€œgreenâ€ profits coincident with our values, or even sometimes in spite of them?</p>
<p>The latter model, misleadingly named â€œsustainable investing,â€ has come into fashion among many socially responsible funds. As Joe Keefe writes in a recent, provocative white paper, available on Pax Worldâ€™s website, â€œalthough SRI (socially responsible investing) and sustainable investing are clearly related and share elements in common, they are not the same, nor is sustainable investing simply a subset of SRI.  Sustainable investing is actually an emerging investment discipline, founded on the principle that the full integration of ESG (environmental, social and governance) factors into financial analysis and decision making is a strategy for identifying better long-term investments.â€  In my mind, this approach invests without soul, ethically empty and ultimately in pursuit of growth for the sake of further growth.</p>
<p>Do we stick to our values and invest in a way that can bring about a better future, by avoiding some stocks and advocating for change with others?  Joe Keefe argues that it is â€œvirtually impossible to justify in financial terms an exclusionary screen based solely on a value judgment.â€  Excuse me, my clients and I are doing just fine, and we invest according to set screens (and Iâ€™m certain there are plenty of others who can say the same).  Itâ€™s not about the screens; itâ€™s about playing a skillful effort inside the rules of the game.  With hundreds upon hundreds of stocks in the U.S. market alone, depending upon what your market capitalization constraints are, there are plenty of prospective investments available without wading into the muck of tobacco, nuclear or weapons-related stocks. </p>
<p>To close with one last thought from Joe Keefeâ€™s paper: â€œMy only point was that, historically, SRI has been largely defined or understood in terms of its negative screens, and that this positioning is problematic â€” it tends to repel rather than attract investors, and retard rather than accelerate the industryâ€™s growth.â€  Dear Joe, are you mostly interested in the growth of your investment industry?</p>
<p>From my point of view, it is the values of investors, my clients and yours, whose wishes should be respected.  If they donâ€™t want to invest in war contractors, then we shouldnâ€™t invest their portfolios in them.  And Pax World certainly shouldnâ€™t be advertising that we â€œpromote peaceâ€ and â€œno weaponsâ€ when in fact they slip an AECOM into their portfolios.</p>
<p>Investors may be smart, but we as an investment industry have outsmarted them.  Weâ€™ve positioned ourselves as intermediaries between them and their ultimate investments.  Between investors and their investments are financial planners, brokers, advisers, mutual funds, fund managers and others as well.  With so many layers of intermediaries, each obscuring, wittingly or not, the nature of the ultimate investment portfolio and each extracting payment, itâ€™s a wonder any investor knows exactly what they are invested in!</p>
<p>We should better explain to investors what we do, and what we invest in, so that they can decide what they will do.  SRIgreen.com has been established with the hope that it will become one of the resources ethical investors can turn to, so that they can better decide how to allocate their portfolios.</p>
<p>The reality is that folks trust our socially responsible investment industry, at least many do, and trust us enough to allow us to manage their money.  And they expect us to do right by them.</p>
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