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		<title>By: Marc Gunther &#187; Investing in Genocide?</title>
		<link>http://www.marcgunther.com/2007/02/19/fidelity-calvert-and-sudan/comment-page-1/#comment-130748</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Gunther &#187; Investing in Genocide?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 16:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] story on and off for more than two years, sadly. Here&#8217;s a 2007 CNNMoney column and a  2007 blog posting about Fidelity&#8217;s ties to Sudan, and here&#8217;s a 2008 column that ran on  Huffington Post. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] story on and off for more than two years, sadly. Here&#8217;s a 2007 CNNMoney column and a  2007 blog posting about Fidelity&#8217;s ties to Sudan, and here&#8217;s a 2008 column that ran on  Huffington Post. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David Schmidt</title>
		<link>http://www.marcgunther.com/2007/02/19/fidelity-calvert-and-sudan/comment-page-1/#comment-20079</link>
		<dc:creator>David Schmidt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 05:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Domini (www.domini.com) recently began to offer the PacAsia Social Equity Fund and Europacific Social Equity Fund.  These are mutual funds that provide SRI screeing for the Asian markets.  

I hope for more options like these from other mutual fund companies, since so many of the currently available asian market funds have holdings in the Chinese companies contributing to the horror in Darfur.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Domini (www.domini.com) recently began to offer the PacAsia Social Equity Fund and Europacific Social Equity Fund.  These are mutual funds that provide SRI screeing for the Asian markets.  </p>
<p>I hope for more options like these from other mutual fund companies, since so many of the currently available asian market funds have holdings in the Chinese companies contributing to the horror in Darfur.</p>
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		<title>By: Divestment from Sudan &#171; EE/RE Investing</title>
		<link>http://www.marcgunther.com/2007/02/19/fidelity-calvert-and-sudan/comment-page-1/#comment-8898</link>
		<dc:creator>Divestment from Sudan &#171; EE/RE Investing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 22:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] May 9, 2007 at 3:26 pm &#183; Filed under Uncategorized   Monday I was speaking to a client who brought up some concerns about investments in Sudan/Darfur. Mia Farrow had come to her workplace and given a talk about how Fidelity has investments in Darfur, and she was happy because I had had her sell all her Fidelity funds when she moved her assets into my care. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] May 9, 2007 at 3:26 pm &#183; Filed under Uncategorized   Monday I was speaking to a client who brought up some concerns about investments in Sudan/Darfur. Mia Farrow had come to her workplace and given a talk about how Fidelity has investments in Darfur, and she was happy because I had had her sell all her Fidelity funds when she moved her assets into my care. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
		<link>http://www.marcgunther.com/2007/02/19/fidelity-calvert-and-sudan/comment-page-1/#comment-3040</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 20:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that Domini now has a European fund but I don&#039;t know of any SRI funds for Asia or Latin America, Hugh.

And I think you are right about fees with one caveat--the very useful shareholder advocacy that the SRI funds do also costs money.

Thanks for your comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that Domini now has a European fund but I don&#8217;t know of any SRI funds for Asia or Latin America, Hugh.</p>
<p>And I think you are right about fees with one caveat&#8211;the very useful shareholder advocacy that the SRI funds do also costs money.</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment.</p>
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		<title>By: HUGH GIBLIN</title>
		<link>http://www.marcgunther.com/2007/02/19/fidelity-calvert-and-sudan/comment-page-1/#comment-2990</link>
		<dc:creator>HUGH GIBLIN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GOOD POINTS ABOUT DARFUR AND FIDELITY.  I OCNTANCTED FIDELITY A LONG TIME AGO ASKING WHY THEY DIDN&#039;T HAVE A SRI FUND.  THEY CLAIM THEREISN&#039; A DEMAND (PERHAPS WE SHOULD CREATE ONE).  i USE THE BROKERAGE PART OF FIDELITY BUT I AM NOT IN ANY OF THEIR FUNDS AND WON&#039;T BE UNTIL THEY CHANGE POLICIES.

AS FAR AS FEES ARE CONCERNED ITS UNFORTUNATE THAT THEY ARE SO HIGH AND I DON&#039;T BELIEVE THEY ARE JUSTIFIED. I WAS TOLD THEY ARE DUE TO MARKETING COSTS.  IF VANGUARD CAN CHARGE .25% I THINK THE SRI FUNDS CAN DO BETTER AND THEY ABSOLUTELY SHOULD DROP THEIR LOADS.  HIGH FEES ARE ONE OF THE MAIN FREASONS PEOPLE SHY AWAY FROM SRI INVESTMENTS.  THE NEW DOMINA EUROPEAN FUND FOR EXAMPLE, COSTS SOMETHING LIKE 1.59% WHILE A SIMILAR ETF FUND RUNS 60% WHICH IS COVERED BY ITS 1.60% YIELD.

ITS HARD OT BE VIRTUOUS WHEN YOU&#039;RE LOOKING AT SUCH DRAMATIC DIFFERENCES.

GETTING EVERYTHING OFF MY CHEST WHEN IS SRI GOING TO EVLAUTE MANY MORE FOREIGH COMPANIES SO AS TO OPEN UP ASIAN AND LATIN MARKETS TO SRI INVESTORS?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GOOD POINTS ABOUT DARFUR AND FIDELITY.  I OCNTANCTED FIDELITY A LONG TIME AGO ASKING WHY THEY DIDN&#8217;T HAVE A SRI FUND.  THEY CLAIM THEREISN&#8217; A DEMAND (PERHAPS WE SHOULD CREATE ONE).  i USE THE BROKERAGE PART OF FIDELITY BUT I AM NOT IN ANY OF THEIR FUNDS AND WON&#8217;T BE UNTIL THEY CHANGE POLICIES.</p>
<p>AS FAR AS FEES ARE CONCERNED ITS UNFORTUNATE THAT THEY ARE SO HIGH AND I DON&#8217;T BELIEVE THEY ARE JUSTIFIED. I WAS TOLD THEY ARE DUE TO MARKETING COSTS.  IF VANGUARD CAN CHARGE .25% I THINK THE SRI FUNDS CAN DO BETTER AND THEY ABSOLUTELY SHOULD DROP THEIR LOADS.  HIGH FEES ARE ONE OF THE MAIN FREASONS PEOPLE SHY AWAY FROM SRI INVESTMENTS.  THE NEW DOMINA EUROPEAN FUND FOR EXAMPLE, COSTS SOMETHING LIKE 1.59% WHILE A SIMILAR ETF FUND RUNS 60% WHICH IS COVERED BY ITS 1.60% YIELD.</p>
<p>ITS HARD OT BE VIRTUOUS WHEN YOU&#8217;RE LOOKING AT SUCH DRAMATIC DIFFERENCES.</p>
<p>GETTING EVERYTHING OFF MY CHEST WHEN IS SRI GOING TO EVLAUTE MANY MORE FOREIGH COMPANIES SO AS TO OPEN UP ASIAN AND LATIN MARKETS TO SRI INVESTORS?</p>
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		<title>By: SRI Mutual Funds: Robin Hood or Robber Baron? &#171; EE/RE Investing</title>
		<link>http://www.marcgunther.com/2007/02/19/fidelity-calvert-and-sudan/comment-page-1/#comment-1395</link>
		<dc:creator>SRI Mutual Funds: Robin Hood or Robber Baron? &#171; EE/RE Investing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 06:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A couple weeks ago I got into a discussion with Marc Gunther  about socially responsible mutual funds and how I feel that they charge too much for the services they provide.&#160; This is of course rather self-serving, since socially responsible mutual funds and alternative energy mutual funds are my most direct competitors for business&#8230; there really are very few independent investment advisors who will manage portfolios of individual securities for accounts under $1M&#8230; almost everyone uses mutual funds.&#160; So in the socially/environmentally&#160; responsible realm, my real competition in advisors using socially responsible and alternative energy mutual funds, and/or people who manage their own portfolios with these funds. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] A couple weeks ago I got into a discussion with Marc Gunther  about socially responsible mutual funds and how I feel that they charge too much for the services they provide.&nbsp; This is of course rather self-serving, since socially responsible mutual funds and alternative energy mutual funds are my most direct competitors for business&#8230; there really are very few independent investment advisors who will manage portfolios of individual securities for accounts under $1M&#8230; almost everyone uses mutual funds.&nbsp; So in the socially/environmentally&nbsp; responsible realm, my real competition in advisors using socially responsible and alternative energy mutual funds, and/or people who manage their own portfolios with these funds. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
		<link>http://www.marcgunther.com/2007/02/19/fidelity-calvert-and-sudan/comment-page-1/#comment-963</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent points, Tom. I want to hear from some SRI people on this. And I won&#039;t argue with the idea of donating to Amnesty since my wife works there!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent points, Tom. I want to hear from some SRI people on this. And I won&#8217;t argue with the idea of donating to Amnesty since my wife works there!</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Konrad</title>
		<link>http://www.marcgunther.com/2007/02/19/fidelity-calvert-and-sudan/comment-page-1/#comment-962</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Konrad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Protfolio 21 is one of the better social funds.  It does have a high expense ratio of 1.5% but this is actually better than the category average, because it is a world fund.  However, 1.5% is still a lot, and even paying higher comissions to trade international stocks, it&#039;s easy to beat by owning individual companies... a lot of the holdings are still US stocks or trade in the US as ADRs, so only a few such companies would require paying the high comissions on a foreign stock trade.  

I&#039;m very happy there&#039;s a SRI movement... I and my clients do benefit from their research.  It&#039;s a classic case where the benefits to society are paid for by a few individuals, like signing up for a green energy program.  I don&#039;t think an individual investor gets enough from SRI funds to justify the cost, but society as a whole often does.  As these funds gow and are able to spread the costs over more investors, I hope they will be able to spread their research and advocacy costs over more assets.  

However, there are many international advocacy groups which have the benefit of charitable status which do pretty much the same sort of work.  Amnesty International does this, and there is no reason why an investment advisor like myself cannot use them as a research/advocacy arm, for a tax deductible contribution or no cost at all if I so choose.  Another great example is the Carbon Disclosure Project.  I do have to spend a lot of time reading and compiling all this available information, but the costs are still lower than many SRI funds, and I have considerably less under management.

My complaint, basically, is with mutual funds in general rather than SRI funds in particular.  Back in the day of high brokerage transaction costs, this structure made sense for aggregating costs among investors.  But with individual transaction fees often below .1% per trade (when they used to be as much as 3% or more 20 years ago,) the mutual fund (with the exception of giant index funds like Vanguard, which does not do SRI, unfortunately) has mostly outlived its usefulness.

If you see a fund you like, you&#039;re usually better off by getting a perspectus and mimicing its holdings buy buying individual stocks.  The exception to this is for small accounts, but what constitutes a &quot;small&quot; account is getting smaller and smaller by the year.  These days, I&#039;d say it&#039;s anything less than $25,000.  If you find a good &quot;60 free trades for opening a brokerage account&quot; type offer, you may even be able to do it with $25K.... and if you want advocacy, then you can always make a contribution to a non-profit you believe in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Protfolio 21 is one of the better social funds.  It does have a high expense ratio of 1.5% but this is actually better than the category average, because it is a world fund.  However, 1.5% is still a lot, and even paying higher comissions to trade international stocks, it&#8217;s easy to beat by owning individual companies&#8230; a lot of the holdings are still US stocks or trade in the US as ADRs, so only a few such companies would require paying the high comissions on a foreign stock trade.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m very happy there&#8217;s a SRI movement&#8230; I and my clients do benefit from their research.  It&#8217;s a classic case where the benefits to society are paid for by a few individuals, like signing up for a green energy program.  I don&#8217;t think an individual investor gets enough from SRI funds to justify the cost, but society as a whole often does.  As these funds gow and are able to spread the costs over more investors, I hope they will be able to spread their research and advocacy costs over more assets.  </p>
<p>However, there are many international advocacy groups which have the benefit of charitable status which do pretty much the same sort of work.  Amnesty International does this, and there is no reason why an investment advisor like myself cannot use them as a research/advocacy arm, for a tax deductible contribution or no cost at all if I so choose.  Another great example is the Carbon Disclosure Project.  I do have to spend a lot of time reading and compiling all this available information, but the costs are still lower than many SRI funds, and I have considerably less under management.</p>
<p>My complaint, basically, is with mutual funds in general rather than SRI funds in particular.  Back in the day of high brokerage transaction costs, this structure made sense for aggregating costs among investors.  But with individual transaction fees often below .1% per trade (when they used to be as much as 3% or more 20 years ago,) the mutual fund (with the exception of giant index funds like Vanguard, which does not do SRI, unfortunately) has mostly outlived its usefulness.</p>
<p>If you see a fund you like, you&#8217;re usually better off by getting a perspectus and mimicing its holdings buy buying individual stocks.  The exception to this is for small accounts, but what constitutes a &#8220;small&#8221; account is getting smaller and smaller by the year.  These days, I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s anything less than $25,000.  If you find a good &#8220;60 free trades for opening a brokerage account&#8221; type offer, you may even be able to do it with $25K&#8230;. and if you want advocacy, then you can always make a contribution to a non-profit you believe in.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
		<link>http://www.marcgunther.com/2007/02/19/fidelity-calvert-and-sudan/comment-page-1/#comment-949</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 00:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comment, Tom. This is a great point. The #1 problem with SRI funds is that their fees are too high--this, much more than the risk of subpar performance, is their drawback. Part of the fees are to pay for the research and advocacy that they do, but I don&#039;t know that those efforts can justify fees greater than 1%. I&#039;m an investor in Calvert, Domini and Portfolio 21 (be curious what you think of that one, Tom) despite the fees. I&#039;ve thought about ETFs but I do place a value on the shareholder advocacy done by the SRI funds. Any SRI folk there care to comment on Tom&#039;s point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comment, Tom. This is a great point. The #1 problem with SRI funds is that their fees are too high&#8211;this, much more than the risk of subpar performance, is their drawback. Part of the fees are to pay for the research and advocacy that they do, but I don&#8217;t know that those efforts can justify fees greater than 1%. I&#8217;m an investor in Calvert, Domini and Portfolio 21 (be curious what you think of that one, Tom) despite the fees. I&#8217;ve thought about ETFs but I do place a value on the shareholder advocacy done by the SRI funds. Any SRI folk there care to comment on Tom&#8217;s point.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Konrad</title>
		<link>http://www.marcgunther.com/2007/02/19/fidelity-calvert-and-sudan/comment-page-1/#comment-948</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Konrad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 23:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After many Enron employees lost their 401k&#039;s to lack of diversification and too much company stock, many company 401k plans changed their rules to allow employees to allow current employees to roll some or all of their 401(k) over to an IRA while still in service. This is a company policy (not required by law), so it varies from company to company.  Have you asked Time Warner about this?

On Calvert and other socially responsible funds, I think it&#039;s very important to invest with your values, but does it have to cost so much?  Most Calvert funds have expense ratios well over 1%.  I understand that it would be a conflict of interest for you to directly own the stock of companies you cover.  That can easily amount to several thousand $ per year over a social ETF such as KLD.  True, KLD does not engage in the activism you describe at Calvert, but it seems like a lot of money out of your tax-advantaged account, when instead you could be making a tax-deductible contribution to a charity of your choice (or keeping it to fund your retirement.)

I have clients who used to be in social mutual funds who I am able to provide customized investment management in individual environmentally responsible (I tend to focus on just one aspect of social responsibility) companies for less money than they had been previously paying in expenses, all because of the high fees socially responsible mutual funds tend to charge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After many Enron employees lost their 401k&#8217;s to lack of diversification and too much company stock, many company 401k plans changed their rules to allow employees to allow current employees to roll some or all of their 401(k) over to an IRA while still in service. This is a company policy (not required by law), so it varies from company to company.  Have you asked Time Warner about this?</p>
<p>On Calvert and other socially responsible funds, I think it&#8217;s very important to invest with your values, but does it have to cost so much?  Most Calvert funds have expense ratios well over 1%.  I understand that it would be a conflict of interest for you to directly own the stock of companies you cover.  That can easily amount to several thousand $ per year over a social ETF such as KLD.  True, KLD does not engage in the activism you describe at Calvert, but it seems like a lot of money out of your tax-advantaged account, when instead you could be making a tax-deductible contribution to a charity of your choice (or keeping it to fund your retirement.)</p>
<p>I have clients who used to be in social mutual funds who I am able to provide customized investment management in individual environmentally responsible (I tend to focus on just one aspect of social responsibility) companies for less money than they had been previously paying in expenses, all because of the high fees socially responsible mutual funds tend to charge.</p>
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